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Glottopedia:Forum/Archive 01

2007-10-11T07:28:47Z

Francis Tyers: /* License: CC vs. GFDL */

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==Unicode==
Why is Glottopedia in ISO-8859-1 and not in Unicode? Wikipedia is in Unicode (UTF-8). --[[User:David Marjanović|David Marjanović]] 01:56, 28 June 2007 (CEST)
: I am sure this will be fixed very soon. Glottopedia should be in UTF-8. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:19, 6 July 2007 (CEST)
:: Now I'm not sure whether this UTF-8 encoding will be fixed soon. Whom shall we as kto do it? Who in Trier is responsible? --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:18, 10 July 2007 (CEST)

==Edit URL==
Why is the URL of articles in Glottopedia hidden (when I enter via www.glottopedia.org)? It is really practical that one can edit the URL and get directly to some articles, categories, or templates. When I enter Glottopedia via http://urts120.uni-trier.de/glottopedia/index.php I can manipulate the URL as described. But this should be possible via www.glottopedia.org aswell. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:19, 6 July 2007 (CEST)

:There is a detailed description for at least three <span style="background-color:yellow;">solutions how to do this in the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL MediaWiki manual]</span>. It should work even if you don't have a root access to the host server. So please somebody try one of the possibilities to keep the URL short '''and''' editable. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 13:05, 14 July 2007 (CEST)

==External Links Keep Glottopedia URL!==
When you click on an external link in Glottopedia, the URL in the adress field of your browser remains <nowiki>http://www.glottopedia.org/</nowiki> this should not be. Try this external link to Google: http://www.google.com/ --18:14, 10 July 2007 (CEST)

==Category names==
What do LIRE and HYPO stand for? These are names of [[Special:Categories|categories]] which I can't guess. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 20:43, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
:LIRE is no longer used. "HYPO" stands for [[Glottopedia:Dictionary_articles/Hypotheses_and_approaches|hypothesis and approach articles]], although we need to think more about whether we need it and how exactly we apply it. It should be considered preliminary at this point. --[[User:Haspelmath|Haspelmath]] 14:05, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

== Rename LING to RESEARCH? ==

I'd rename the ''LING'' article type to ''RESEARCH''. What do you think? --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:11, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
:My original proposal was to name these articles "linguistics articles", to which Sven objected that in a way all articles are about linguistics. "Linguistic research articles" is probably better, although not all of them are about research in the narrow sense (basically they are about linguists' activities). Anyway, I like the abbreviation "LING" for "Linguistic research" much better than "LIRE". "RESEARCH" I find too long. But ultimately it's a matter of taste, and if someone else is strongly against "linguistic reaearch/LING", I'll be happy to go along with an alternative proposal.--[[User:Haspelmath|Haspelmath]] 14:09, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

::Well, I thought if LINGUIST is not too long a category label, maybe RESEARCH would also be ok. For LING it is not immediately transparent what category it is. Anybody who wants to know what it is has to read it somewhere (where?). One thinks intuitively about "linguist", linguistics in general, but not of current research. I think this RESEARCH (or LING) category we could use for articles about current or recent projects: WALS, Autotyp, Negtyp, ... --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 21:59, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

== About Glottopedia ==

Currently we have the page two times: [[Glottopedia:About]] and [[Glottopedia:About_Glottopedia]]. One of them should be deleted --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:16, 10 July 2007 (CEST)

==Link Forum==
Please admins, sysops, link this forum in the navigation bar on the left. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 22:19, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

==Set the system time==
The system time of the wiki-server seems to be 2 hours more than the German time. Please fix it. Everytime I sign some post, I wonder if it is really that late (-: --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 22:19, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

==Multilingual categories?==
I'd like to keep categories language-specific. It will get very messy if you see German, English and Russian articles about morphology in that category. We have the language splits almost everywhere, even for this forum, and all administrative pages, Guidelines, Community portal, portals ... so why to lump articles of different languages in one Category? We can handle it like the article names, there can be a category "Syntax", "Syntax (de)", ... --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 22:24, 12 July 2007 (CEST)
:Using only Glottopedia's default language (English) in categories was a decision we took early on (see [[Glottopedia:Categorization]], second sentence). The idea was that unlike Wikipedia, which has different wikis for each language, Glottopedia has just a single wiki and is thus much more integrated. This is because many users will be multilingual, and will be happy to use articles in multiple languages more or less simulteanously. Of course, it would be necessary to have a search mechanism that allows queries such as "find all morphology articles in German" -- such a mechanism is not standard in Mediawiki and would have to be created as an add-on. I'm not saying that I'm strongly opposed to having the categories in multiple languages as well -- this might also be a good way of organizing Glottopedia, perhaps a better one. In that case, we wouldn't even need the category type "article language", because all categories would be language-specific. I'd like to hear more contributions to this important discussion.--[[User:Haspelmath|Haspelmath]] 09:48, 13 July 2007 (CEST)
::I am perfectly confident with mulitlingual categories as long as one can easily filter them or combine them (Category:Syntax AND Category:De). The question is, how easily this can be implemented and used. If we plan to implement this, we should do it before the categories get too crowded. I see your point, since 99 % of Glottopedia users read German and English, there is no need for strict language separation. Let's give multilingual categories a try. At this time we don't have so many articles, so it is quite easy. '''But we need to update the automatic ABC-zation''' in overwiew of articles in the Category: Look at [[:Category:Syntax]] how the cyrillic characters mess up the layout (third column is longer!) and the "Č" in [[:Category:BIOG]] comes after "Z" rather than after "C". We must fix this somehow --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 20:45, 13 July 2007 (CEST)

== Consistent orthography ==

I saw Rk's recent renaming of some articles. We should decide how to write the names of the articles. There is sometimes "Quantitative Linguistics" sometimes "quantitative linguistics". I'm not familiar with the English orthography, but I think in the heading all words except for "of" and "the" are written with an initial uppercase letter. The question is how do we do in in Glottopedia. We should decide for one default for english and other orthographical variants should redirect to the default article. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 10:58, 14 July 2007 (CEST)

:I propose using "Sentence case" for article titles in English. - [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]] 09:37, 8 October 2007 (CEST)

== License: CC vs. GFDL ==

is there any reason why the licence is CC-BY-SA and not GFDL or CC-BY-SA +GFDL? Is it to be deliberately incompatible with Wikipedia? - [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]] 09:14, 8 October 2007 (CEST)

:No, we thought that CC-BY-SA is compatible with Wikipedia, but that it has advantages over GFDL because the latter was really designed for software, not for encyclopedic content. --[[User:Haspelmath|Haspelmath]] 09:25, 8 October 2007 (CEST)

::The GPL is designed for software, the GFDL designed for documentation, to be honest, the GFDL isn't great, but it is what Wikipedia uses, so if we want to be able to share information with them we should at least dual licence. I've put a notice on my page, but ideally all of the content should be dual-licenced. MediaWiki probably allows this to be done. The CC-BY-SA is iirc not compatible with the GFDL (or so a brief Google search suggests). - [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]] 09:33, 8 October 2007 (CEST)

:No, Glottopedia does not want to be incompatible with Wikipedia. The CC-BY-SA license was chosen, because it is freer than GFDL. I don't know whether you have ever tried to publish something that contains GFDL material. This is only possible, if you include the GFDL license. In all other aspects CC-BY-SA and GFDL are compatible, i.e. you can always reuse CC-BY-SA material under GFDL, but not the other way round. Double licensing is possible, of course. So, if there are good arguments for it, such a solution can be taken into consideration. --[[User:Martin Haase|maha]] 00:49, 11 October 2007 (CEST)

::Well, freer is a subjective judgement, the CC-BY-SA has less restrictions than the GFPL that is certain. So CC-BY-SA content can be used under the GPL? I wasn't aware of this. Do you have any links? - [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]] 09:28, 11 October 2007 (CEST)

==Examples==

While '<nowiki><pre></pre></nowiki>' tags can be used to create fixed space examples, e.g.

<pre>
This is an example
This be+p3.sg.pres a example
`This is an example'
</pre>

It would be nice to have a plugin which rendered them nicely, like <code>gb4e</code> in LaTeX. Any thoughts or does anyone know of such an example for MediaWiki, I know there is a LaTeX maths renderer, e.g. <math>\sum i+1</math> - [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]] 09:58, 10 October 2007 (CEST)

Glottopedia:Forum/Archive 01

2007-10-10T07:59:11Z

Francis Tyers: /* Examples */

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<big>'''Welcome to the Glottopedia Forum'''</big><br/><br/>
This is the place where you can ask questions about Glottopedia itself, and also about linguistic topics in general.<br/>
'''Click [http://urts120.uni-trier.de/glottopedia/index.php?title=Glottopedia:Forum&action=edit&section=new here] to add a new question.'''
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==Unicode==
Why is Glottopedia in ISO-8859-1 and not in Unicode? Wikipedia is in Unicode (UTF-8). --[[User:David Marjanović|David Marjanović]] 01:56, 28 June 2007 (CEST)
: I am sure this will be fixed very soon. Glottopedia should be in UTF-8. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:19, 6 July 2007 (CEST)
:: Now I'm not sure whether this UTF-8 encoding will be fixed soon. Whom shall we as kto do it? Who in Trier is responsible? --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:18, 10 July 2007 (CEST)

==Edit URL==
Why is the URL of articles in Glottopedia hidden (when I enter via www.glottopedia.org)? It is really practical that one can edit the URL and get directly to some articles, categories, or templates. When I enter Glottopedia via http://urts120.uni-trier.de/glottopedia/index.php I can manipulate the URL as described. But this should be possible via www.glottopedia.org aswell. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:19, 6 July 2007 (CEST)

:There is a detailed description for at least three <span style="background-color:yellow;">solutions how to do this in the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL MediaWiki manual]</span>. It should work even if you don't have a root access to the host server. So please somebody try one of the possibilities to keep the URL short '''and''' editable. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 13:05, 14 July 2007 (CEST)

==External Links Keep Glottopedia URL!==
When you click on an external link in Glottopedia, the URL in the adress field of your browser remains <nowiki>http://www.glottopedia.org/</nowiki> this should not be. Try this external link to Google: http://www.google.com/ --18:14, 10 July 2007 (CEST)

==Category names==
What do LIRE and HYPO stand for? These are names of [[Special:Categories|categories]] which I can't guess. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 20:43, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
:LIRE is no longer used. "HYPO" stands for [[Glottopedia:Dictionary_articles/Hypotheses_and_approaches|hypothesis and approach articles]], although we need to think more about whether we need it and how exactly we apply it. It should be considered preliminary at this point. --[[User:Haspelmath|Haspelmath]] 14:05, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

== Rename LING to RESEARCH? ==

I'd rename the ''LING'' article type to ''RESEARCH''. What do you think? --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:11, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
:My original proposal was to name these articles "linguistics articles", to which Sven objected that in a way all articles are about linguistics. "Linguistic research articles" is probably better, although not all of them are about research in the narrow sense (basically they are about linguists' activities). Anyway, I like the abbreviation "LING" for "Linguistic research" much better than "LIRE". "RESEARCH" I find too long. But ultimately it's a matter of taste, and if someone else is strongly against "linguistic reaearch/LING", I'll be happy to go along with an alternative proposal.--[[User:Haspelmath|Haspelmath]] 14:09, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

::Well, I thought if LINGUIST is not too long a category label, maybe RESEARCH would also be ok. For LING it is not immediately transparent what category it is. Anybody who wants to know what it is has to read it somewhere (where?). One thinks intuitively about "linguist", linguistics in general, but not of current research. I think this RESEARCH (or LING) category we could use for articles about current or recent projects: WALS, Autotyp, Negtyp, ... --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 21:59, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

== About Glottopedia ==

Currently we have the page two times: [[Glottopedia:About]] and [[Glottopedia:About_Glottopedia]]. One of them should be deleted --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:16, 10 July 2007 (CEST)

==Link Forum==
Please admins, sysops, link this forum in the navigation bar on the left. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 22:19, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

==Set the system time==
The system time of the wiki-server seems to be 2 hours more than the German time. Please fix it. Everytime I sign some post, I wonder if it is really that late (-: --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 22:19, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

==Multilingual categories?==
I'd like to keep categories language-specific. It will get very messy if you see German, English and Russian articles about morphology in that category. We have the language splits almost everywhere, even for this forum, and all administrative pages, Guidelines, Community portal, portals ... so why to lump articles of different languages in one Category? We can handle it like the article names, there can be a category "Syntax", "Syntax (de)", ... --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 22:24, 12 July 2007 (CEST)
:Using only Glottopedia's default language (English) in categories was a decision we took early on (see [[Glottopedia:Categorization]], second sentence). The idea was that unlike Wikipedia, which has different wikis for each language, Glottopedia has just a single wiki and is thus much more integrated. This is because many users will be multilingual, and will be happy to use articles in multiple languages more or less simulteanously. Of course, it would be necessary to have a search mechanism that allows queries such as "find all morphology articles in German" -- such a mechanism is not standard in Mediawiki and would have to be created as an add-on. I'm not saying that I'm strongly opposed to having the categories in multiple languages as well -- this might also be a good way of organizing Glottopedia, perhaps a better one. In that case, we wouldn't even need the category type "article language", because all categories would be language-specific. I'd like to hear more contributions to this important discussion.--[[User:Haspelmath|Haspelmath]] 09:48, 13 July 2007 (CEST)
::I am perfectly confident with mulitlingual categories as long as one can easily filter them or combine them (Category:Syntax AND Category:De). The question is, how easily this can be implemented and used. If we plan to implement this, we should do it before the categories get too crowded. I see your point, since 99 % of Glottopedia users read German and English, there is no need for strict language separation. Let's give multilingual categories a try. At this time we don't have so many articles, so it is quite easy. '''But we need to update the automatic ABC-zation''' in overwiew of articles in the Category: Look at [[:Category:Syntax]] how the cyrillic characters mess up the layout (third column is longer!) and the "Č" in [[:Category:BIOG]] comes after "Z" rather than after "C". We must fix this somehow --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 20:45, 13 July 2007 (CEST)

== Consistent orthography ==

I saw Rk's recent renaming of some articles. We should decide how to write the names of the articles. There is sometimes "Quantitative Linguistics" sometimes "quantitative linguistics". I'm not familiar with the English orthography, but I think in the heading all words except for "of" and "the" are written with an initial uppercase letter. The question is how do we do in in Glottopedia. We should decide for one default for english and other orthographical variants should redirect to the default article. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 10:58, 14 July 2007 (CEST)

:I propose using "Sentence case" for article titles in English. - [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]] 09:37, 8 October 2007 (CEST)

==Other languages==
German [[Glottopedia:Diskussionsforum]]

[[Category:En]]
[[Category:Glottopedia]]

== License: CC vs. GFDL ==

is there any reason why the licence is CC-BY-SA and not GFDL or CC-BY-SA +GFDL? Is it to be deliberately incompatible with Wikipedia? - [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]] 09:14, 8 October 2007 (CEST)

:No, we thought that CC-BY-SA is compatible with Wikipedia, but that it has advantages over GFDL because the latter was really designed for software, not for encyclopedic content. --[[User:Haspelmath|Haspelmath]] 09:25, 8 October 2007 (CEST)

::The GPL is designed for software, the GFDL designed for documentation, to be honest, the GFDL isn't great, but it is what Wikipedia uses, so if we want to be able to share information with them we should at least dual licence. I've put a notice on my page, but ideally all of the content should be dual-licenced. MediaWiki probably allows this to be done. The CC-BY-SA is iirc not compatible with the GFDL (or so a brief Google search suggests). - [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]] 09:33, 8 October 2007 (CEST)

==Examples==

While '<nowiki><pre></pre></nowiki>' tags can be used to create fixed space examples, e.g.

<pre>
This is an example
This be+p3.sg.pres a example
`This is an example'
</pre>

It would be nice to have a plugin which rendered them nicely, like <code>gb4e</code> in LaTeX. Any thoughts or does anyone know of such an example for MediaWiki, I know there is a LaTeX maths renderer, e.g. <math>\sum i+1</math> - [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]] 09:58, 10 October 2007 (CEST)

Glottopedia:Forum/Archive 01

2007-10-10T07:58:37Z

Francis Tyers: /* Examples */

<div style="border:1px solid #8888AA;background-color:#F0FFF0;padding:7px;text-align:center">
<big>'''Welcome to the Glottopedia Forum'''</big><br/><br/>
This is the place where you can ask questions about Glottopedia itself, and also about linguistic topics in general.<br/>
'''Click [http://urts120.uni-trier.de/glottopedia/index.php?title=Glottopedia:Forum&action=edit&section=new here] to add a new question.'''
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==Unicode==
Why is Glottopedia in ISO-8859-1 and not in Unicode? Wikipedia is in Unicode (UTF-8). --[[User:David Marjanović|David Marjanović]] 01:56, 28 June 2007 (CEST)
: I am sure this will be fixed very soon. Glottopedia should be in UTF-8. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:19, 6 July 2007 (CEST)
:: Now I'm not sure whether this UTF-8 encoding will be fixed soon. Whom shall we as kto do it? Who in Trier is responsible? --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:18, 10 July 2007 (CEST)

==Edit URL==
Why is the URL of articles in Glottopedia hidden (when I enter via www.glottopedia.org)? It is really practical that one can edit the URL and get directly to some articles, categories, or templates. When I enter Glottopedia via http://urts120.uni-trier.de/glottopedia/index.php I can manipulate the URL as described. But this should be possible via www.glottopedia.org aswell. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:19, 6 July 2007 (CEST)

:There is a detailed description for at least three <span style="background-color:yellow;">solutions how to do this in the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL MediaWiki manual]</span>. It should work even if you don't have a root access to the host server. So please somebody try one of the possibilities to keep the URL short '''and''' editable. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 13:05, 14 July 2007 (CEST)

==External Links Keep Glottopedia URL!==
When you click on an external link in Glottopedia, the URL in the adress field of your browser remains <nowiki>http://www.glottopedia.org/</nowiki> this should not be. Try this external link to Google: http://www.google.com/ --18:14, 10 July 2007 (CEST)

==Category names==
What do LIRE and HYPO stand for? These are names of [[Special:Categories|categories]] which I can't guess. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 20:43, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
:LIRE is no longer used. "HYPO" stands for [[Glottopedia:Dictionary_articles/Hypotheses_and_approaches|hypothesis and approach articles]], although we need to think more about whether we need it and how exactly we apply it. It should be considered preliminary at this point. --[[User:Haspelmath|Haspelmath]] 14:05, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

== Rename LING to RESEARCH? ==

I'd rename the ''LING'' article type to ''RESEARCH''. What do you think? --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:11, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
:My original proposal was to name these articles "linguistics articles", to which Sven objected that in a way all articles are about linguistics. "Linguistic research articles" is probably better, although not all of them are about research in the narrow sense (basically they are about linguists' activities). Anyway, I like the abbreviation "LING" for "Linguistic research" much better than "LIRE". "RESEARCH" I find too long. But ultimately it's a matter of taste, and if someone else is strongly against "linguistic reaearch/LING", I'll be happy to go along with an alternative proposal.--[[User:Haspelmath|Haspelmath]] 14:09, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

::Well, I thought if LINGUIST is not too long a category label, maybe RESEARCH would also be ok. For LING it is not immediately transparent what category it is. Anybody who wants to know what it is has to read it somewhere (where?). One thinks intuitively about "linguist", linguistics in general, but not of current research. I think this RESEARCH (or LING) category we could use for articles about current or recent projects: WALS, Autotyp, Negtyp, ... --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 21:59, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

== About Glottopedia ==

Currently we have the page two times: [[Glottopedia:About]] and [[Glottopedia:About_Glottopedia]]. One of them should be deleted --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:16, 10 July 2007 (CEST)

==Link Forum==
Please admins, sysops, link this forum in the navigation bar on the left. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 22:19, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

==Set the system time==
The system time of the wiki-server seems to be 2 hours more than the German time. Please fix it. Everytime I sign some post, I wonder if it is really that late (-: --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 22:19, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

==Multilingual categories?==
I'd like to keep categories language-specific. It will get very messy if you see German, English and Russian articles about morphology in that category. We have the language splits almost everywhere, even for this forum, and all administrative pages, Guidelines, Community portal, portals ... so why to lump articles of different languages in one Category? We can handle it like the article names, there can be a category "Syntax", "Syntax (de)", ... --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 22:24, 12 July 2007 (CEST)
:Using only Glottopedia's default language (English) in categories was a decision we took early on (see [[Glottopedia:Categorization]], second sentence). The idea was that unlike Wikipedia, which has different wikis for each language, Glottopedia has just a single wiki and is thus much more integrated. This is because many users will be multilingual, and will be happy to use articles in multiple languages more or less simulteanously. Of course, it would be necessary to have a search mechanism that allows queries such as "find all morphology articles in German" -- such a mechanism is not standard in Mediawiki and would have to be created as an add-on. I'm not saying that I'm strongly opposed to having the categories in multiple languages as well -- this might also be a good way of organizing Glottopedia, perhaps a better one. In that case, we wouldn't even need the category type "article language", because all categories would be language-specific. I'd like to hear more contributions to this important discussion.--[[User:Haspelmath|Haspelmath]] 09:48, 13 July 2007 (CEST)
::I am perfectly confident with mulitlingual categories as long as one can easily filter them or combine them (Category:Syntax AND Category:De). The question is, how easily this can be implemented and used. If we plan to implement this, we should do it before the categories get too crowded. I see your point, since 99 % of Glottopedia users read German and English, there is no need for strict language separation. Let's give multilingual categories a try. At this time we don't have so many articles, so it is quite easy. '''But we need to update the automatic ABC-zation''' in overwiew of articles in the Category: Look at [[:Category:Syntax]] how the cyrillic characters mess up the layout (third column is longer!) and the "Č" in [[:Category:BIOG]] comes after "Z" rather than after "C". We must fix this somehow --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 20:45, 13 July 2007 (CEST)

== Consistent orthography ==

I saw Rk's recent renaming of some articles. We should decide how to write the names of the articles. There is sometimes "Quantitative Linguistics" sometimes "quantitative linguistics". I'm not familiar with the English orthography, but I think in the heading all words except for "of" and "the" are written with an initial uppercase letter. The question is how do we do in in Glottopedia. We should decide for one default for english and other orthographical variants should redirect to the default article. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 10:58, 14 July 2007 (CEST)

:I propose using "Sentence case" for article titles in English. - [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]] 09:37, 8 October 2007 (CEST)

==Other languages==
German [[Glottopedia:Diskussionsforum]]

[[Category:En]]
[[Category:Glottopedia]]

== License: CC vs. GFDL ==

is there any reason why the licence is CC-BY-SA and not GFDL or CC-BY-SA +GFDL? Is it to be deliberately incompatible with Wikipedia? - [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]] 09:14, 8 October 2007 (CEST)

:No, we thought that CC-BY-SA is compatible with Wikipedia, but that it has advantages over GFDL because the latter was really designed for software, not for encyclopedic content. --[[User:Haspelmath|Haspelmath]] 09:25, 8 October 2007 (CEST)

::The GPL is designed for software, the GFDL designed for documentation, to be honest, the GFDL isn't great, but it is what Wikipedia uses, so if we want to be able to share information with them we should at least dual licence. I've put a notice on my page, but ideally all of the content should be dual-licenced. MediaWiki probably allows this to be done. The CC-BY-SA is iirc not compatible with the GFDL (or so a brief Google search suggests). - [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]] 09:33, 8 October 2007 (CEST)

==Examples==

While '<nowiki><pre></pre></nowiki>' tags can be used to create fixed space examples, e.g.

<pre>
This is an example
This be+p3.sg.pres a example
`This is an example'
</pre>

It would be nice to have a plugin which rendered them nicely, like <code>gb4e</code> in LaTeX. Any thoughts or does anyone know of such an example for MediaWiki, I know there is a LaTeX maths renderer <math>\epsilon</math> - [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]] 09:58, 10 October 2007 (CEST)

Glottopedia:Forum/Archive 01

2007-10-10T07:58:04Z

Francis Tyers: /* License: CC vs. GFDL */

<div style="border:1px solid #8888AA;background-color:#F0FFF0;padding:7px;text-align:center">
<big>'''Welcome to the Glottopedia Forum'''</big><br/><br/>
This is the place where you can ask questions about Glottopedia itself, and also about linguistic topics in general.<br/>
'''Click [http://urts120.uni-trier.de/glottopedia/index.php?title=Glottopedia:Forum&action=edit&section=new here] to add a new question.'''
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==Unicode==
Why is Glottopedia in ISO-8859-1 and not in Unicode? Wikipedia is in Unicode (UTF-8). --[[User:David Marjanović|David Marjanović]] 01:56, 28 June 2007 (CEST)
: I am sure this will be fixed very soon. Glottopedia should be in UTF-8. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:19, 6 July 2007 (CEST)
:: Now I'm not sure whether this UTF-8 encoding will be fixed soon. Whom shall we as kto do it? Who in Trier is responsible? --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:18, 10 July 2007 (CEST)

==Edit URL==
Why is the URL of articles in Glottopedia hidden (when I enter via www.glottopedia.org)? It is really practical that one can edit the URL and get directly to some articles, categories, or templates. When I enter Glottopedia via http://urts120.uni-trier.de/glottopedia/index.php I can manipulate the URL as described. But this should be possible via www.glottopedia.org aswell. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:19, 6 July 2007 (CEST)

:There is a detailed description for at least three <span style="background-color:yellow;">solutions how to do this in the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL MediaWiki manual]</span>. It should work even if you don't have a root access to the host server. So please somebody try one of the possibilities to keep the URL short '''and''' editable. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 13:05, 14 July 2007 (CEST)

==External Links Keep Glottopedia URL!==
When you click on an external link in Glottopedia, the URL in the adress field of your browser remains <nowiki>http://www.glottopedia.org/</nowiki> this should not be. Try this external link to Google: http://www.google.com/ --18:14, 10 July 2007 (CEST)

==Category names==
What do LIRE and HYPO stand for? These are names of [[Special:Categories|categories]] which I can't guess. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 20:43, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
:LIRE is no longer used. "HYPO" stands for [[Glottopedia:Dictionary_articles/Hypotheses_and_approaches|hypothesis and approach articles]], although we need to think more about whether we need it and how exactly we apply it. It should be considered preliminary at this point. --[[User:Haspelmath|Haspelmath]] 14:05, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

== Rename LING to RESEARCH? ==

I'd rename the ''LING'' article type to ''RESEARCH''. What do you think? --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:11, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
:My original proposal was to name these articles "linguistics articles", to which Sven objected that in a way all articles are about linguistics. "Linguistic research articles" is probably better, although not all of them are about research in the narrow sense (basically they are about linguists' activities). Anyway, I like the abbreviation "LING" for "Linguistic research" much better than "LIRE". "RESEARCH" I find too long. But ultimately it's a matter of taste, and if someone else is strongly against "linguistic reaearch/LING", I'll be happy to go along with an alternative proposal.--[[User:Haspelmath|Haspelmath]] 14:09, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

::Well, I thought if LINGUIST is not too long a category label, maybe RESEARCH would also be ok. For LING it is not immediately transparent what category it is. Anybody who wants to know what it is has to read it somewhere (where?). One thinks intuitively about "linguist", linguistics in general, but not of current research. I think this RESEARCH (or LING) category we could use for articles about current or recent projects: WALS, Autotyp, Negtyp, ... --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 21:59, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

== About Glottopedia ==

Currently we have the page two times: [[Glottopedia:About]] and [[Glottopedia:About_Glottopedia]]. One of them should be deleted --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:16, 10 July 2007 (CEST)

==Link Forum==
Please admins, sysops, link this forum in the navigation bar on the left. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 22:19, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

==Set the system time==
The system time of the wiki-server seems to be 2 hours more than the German time. Please fix it. Everytime I sign some post, I wonder if it is really that late (-: --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 22:19, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

==Multilingual categories?==
I'd like to keep categories language-specific. It will get very messy if you see German, English and Russian articles about morphology in that category. We have the language splits almost everywhere, even for this forum, and all administrative pages, Guidelines, Community portal, portals ... so why to lump articles of different languages in one Category? We can handle it like the article names, there can be a category "Syntax", "Syntax (de)", ... --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 22:24, 12 July 2007 (CEST)
:Using only Glottopedia's default language (English) in categories was a decision we took early on (see [[Glottopedia:Categorization]], second sentence). The idea was that unlike Wikipedia, which has different wikis for each language, Glottopedia has just a single wiki and is thus much more integrated. This is because many users will be multilingual, and will be happy to use articles in multiple languages more or less simulteanously. Of course, it would be necessary to have a search mechanism that allows queries such as "find all morphology articles in German" -- such a mechanism is not standard in Mediawiki and would have to be created as an add-on. I'm not saying that I'm strongly opposed to having the categories in multiple languages as well -- this might also be a good way of organizing Glottopedia, perhaps a better one. In that case, we wouldn't even need the category type "article language", because all categories would be language-specific. I'd like to hear more contributions to this important discussion.--[[User:Haspelmath|Haspelmath]] 09:48, 13 July 2007 (CEST)
::I am perfectly confident with mulitlingual categories as long as one can easily filter them or combine them (Category:Syntax AND Category:De). The question is, how easily this can be implemented and used. If we plan to implement this, we should do it before the categories get too crowded. I see your point, since 99 % of Glottopedia users read German and English, there is no need for strict language separation. Let's give multilingual categories a try. At this time we don't have so many articles, so it is quite easy. '''But we need to update the automatic ABC-zation''' in overwiew of articles in the Category: Look at [[:Category:Syntax]] how the cyrillic characters mess up the layout (third column is longer!) and the "Č" in [[:Category:BIOG]] comes after "Z" rather than after "C". We must fix this somehow --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 20:45, 13 July 2007 (CEST)

== Consistent orthography ==

I saw Rk's recent renaming of some articles. We should decide how to write the names of the articles. There is sometimes "Quantitative Linguistics" sometimes "quantitative linguistics". I'm not familiar with the English orthography, but I think in the heading all words except for "of" and "the" are written with an initial uppercase letter. The question is how do we do in in Glottopedia. We should decide for one default for english and other orthographical variants should redirect to the default article. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 10:58, 14 July 2007 (CEST)

:I propose using "Sentence case" for article titles in English. - [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]] 09:37, 8 October 2007 (CEST)

==Other languages==
German [[Glottopedia:Diskussionsforum]]

[[Category:En]]
[[Category:Glottopedia]]

== License: CC vs. GFDL ==

is there any reason why the licence is CC-BY-SA and not GFDL or CC-BY-SA +GFDL? Is it to be deliberately incompatible with Wikipedia? - [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]] 09:14, 8 October 2007 (CEST)

:No, we thought that CC-BY-SA is compatible with Wikipedia, but that it has advantages over GFDL because the latter was really designed for software, not for encyclopedic content. --[[User:Haspelmath|Haspelmath]] 09:25, 8 October 2007 (CEST)

::The GPL is designed for software, the GFDL designed for documentation, to be honest, the GFDL isn't great, but it is what Wikipedia uses, so if we want to be able to share information with them we should at least dual licence. I've put a notice on my page, but ideally all of the content should be dual-licenced. MediaWiki probably allows this to be done. The CC-BY-SA is iirc not compatible with the GFDL (or so a brief Google search suggests). - [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]] 09:33, 8 October 2007 (CEST)

==Examples==

While '<nowiki><pre></pre></nowiki>' tags can be used to create fixed space examples, e.g.

<pre>
This is an example
This be+p3.sg.pres a example
`This is an example'
</pre>

It would be nice to have a plugin which rendered them nicely, like <code>gb4e</code> in LaTeX. Any thoughts? - [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]] 09:58, 10 October 2007 (CEST)

User:Francis Tyers

2007-10-08T15:02:40Z

Francis Tyers:

'''Francis Morton Tyers'''

Universitat d'Alacant (University of Alicante)

Interests: ''machine translation'', ''lesser-used languages''

==Links==

* [http://xixona.dlsi.ua.es/wiki/index.php/User:Francis_Tyers User:Francis Tyers on Apertium Wiki]

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User:Francis Tyers

2007-10-08T15:02:27Z

Francis Tyers:

'''Francis Morton Tyers'''

Universitat d'Alacant (University of Alicante)

Interests: ''machine translation'', ''lesser-used languages''

==Links==

* [http://xixona.dlsi.ua.es/wiki/index.php/User:Francis_Tyers User:Francis Tyers on Apertium Wiki]

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2007-10-08T08:01:38Z

Francis Tyers: /* Computational Linguistics */

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'''Welcome to [[Glottopedia:About Glottopedia|Glottopedia]], the free encyclopedia of linguistics.'''
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[[Glottopedia:About Glottopedia|Glottopedia]] is a freely editable encyclopedia for linguists by linguists that is currently being built up. It will contain [[Glottopedia:Dictionary articles|dictionary articles]] on all technical terms of linguistics and is [[Glottopedia:Multilingual|multilingual]]. In addition, there are [[Glottopedia:Survey articles|survey articles]], [[Glottopedia:Biographical articles|biographical articles]] and [[Glottopedia:Language articles|language articles]], potentially on all linguists and all languages.

Glottopedia also exists in [[Glottopedia:Über Glottopedia|German]], and in the future hopefully also in [[Glottopedia:Benvenuto|Italian]], [[Glottopedia:Bienvenidos|Spanish]], [[Glottopedia:Accueil des nouveaux arrivants|French]], [[Glottopedia:про Глоттопедию|Russian]], Swedish, [[Glottopedia:欢迎，新来者|Chinese]], and Japanese.

Glottopedia needs your '''[[Glottopedia:How to contribute|contribution]]'''!

=Glottopedia Team=

Editors-in-Chief: [[Martin Haspelmath]], [[Sven Naumann]]

Technical Editors: [[Götz Burger]], [[Hans-Jörg Bibiko]]

Scientific Advisory Council: [[Gabriel Altmann]], [[Pier Marco Bertinetto]], [[Greville G. Corbett]], [[Östen Dahl]], [[Martin Haase]], [[Reinhard Köhler]], [[John McWhorter]], [[Paul Newman]], [[Jürgen Wedekind]]

=Sample dictionary articles=

===Syntax===
(see also [[Portal:Syntax]])

[[alliterative agreement]], [[applicative]], [[apposition]], [[argument structure]], [[attribute]], [[case]], [[complement]], [[contact clause]], [[dative transformation]], [[dependency grammar]], [[ellipsis]], [[ergativity]], [[full verb]], [[gapping]], [[infinitive]], [[noun]], [[part of speech]], [[phrase structure grammar]], [[pied piping]], [[pro]], [[PRO]], [[rich agreement]], [[subject]], [[subordinator]], [[subcomparative construction]], [[X-bar theory]], [[Θ-role]]

===Morphology===
(see also [[Portal:Morphology]])

[[accusative case]], [[adfix]], [[affix]], [[allocutive]], [[base]], [[category-system]], [[dimension]], [[Distributed Morphology]], [[flag]], [[infinitive]], [[lexeme]], [[morpheme]], [[morphosyntactic category]], [[prefix]], [[simplex]], [[supine]], [[suspended affixation]], [[syncretism]]

===Phonetics and Phonology===
(see also [[Portal:Phonetics and phonology]])

[[apocope]], [[apicodental]], [[appendix (in syllable structure)]], [[approximant]], [[breathy voice]], [[coda]], [[compensatory lengthening]], [[Contrastive Specification Theory]], [[dactyl]], [[declarative phonology]], [[degenerate foot]], [[dependency phonology]], [[extrametricality]], [[labiodental]], [[laryngeal]], [[lateral]], [[liquid]], [[metrical phonology]], [[minimal word constraint]], [[prependix]], [[stop]], [[stress]], [[stress-timed and syllable-timed]], [[velarization]]

===Semantics===
(see also [[Portal:Semantics]])

[[ambiguity]], [[agent]], [[antonym]], [[aspect]], [[commissive]], [[connotation]], [[de dicto and de re]], [[denotation]], [[directive]], [[face]], [[hedge]], [[holonym]], [[hyperonym]], [[hyponym]], [[idiom]], [[illocution]], [[implicature]], [[indirect speech act]], [[meaning]], [[Natural Semantic Metalanguage]], [[performative verb]], [[perlocutionary act]], [[proposition]], [[protasis]], [[semantic marker]], [[semantic role]], [[sense]], [[specificity]], [[speech act]], [[vagueness]]

===Computational Linguistics===
(see also [[Portal:Computational Linguistics]])

[[Brill-Tagger]], [[feature logic]], [[finite-state automata]], [[Generalized Phrase Structure Grammar|GPSG]], [[HPSG]], [[ID/LP rules]], [[KWIC concordance]], [[parser]], [[shallow parsing]], [[subsumption]], [[tagger]], [[Two-level morphology]], [[unification]], [[unification-based grammars]], [[machine translation]], [[chunking]]

===Quantitative Linguistics===
(see also [[Portal:Quantitative Linguistics]])

[[aims and methods of quantitative linguistics]],
[[history of quantitative linguistics ]],
[[property]], [[unit]], [[entropy]], [[frequency]],
[[function]], [[law]], [[graph theory]], [[hypothesis]],
[[index]], [[information]], [[information theory]],
[[numeric classification]], [[length]], [[measure]],
[[metrics]], [[model (building)]], [[economy]],
[[process]], [[scale]], [[language law]], [[statistics]],
[[structure]], [[synergetic linguistics]], [[system]],
[[system requirement]], [[text]], [[text statistics]],
[[theory]], [[distribution]], [[repetition]],
[[properties of the word]], [[interrelation]],
[[polysemy]], [[polytextuality]]

=Sample biographical articles=
(see also: [[Portal:Biography]])

[[Karl Ferdinand Becker]] · [[Johannes Benzing]] · [[Simon C. Dik]] · [[Dionysius Thrax]] · [[Stefan Elders]] · [[H. Allan Gleason Jr.]] · [[Einar Haugen]] · [[Marco Haverkort]] · [[Karl Erich Heidolph]] · [[Georg Friedrich Meier]] · [[Harry L. Shorto]] · [[John Sinclair]] · [[Sergej A. Starostin]] · [[Jost Winteler]]

[[Category:En]]
[[Category:Glottopedia]]

=Other Languages=
* German [[Glottopedia:Hauptseite|Hauptseite]]

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2007-10-08T07:37:21Z

Francis Tyers: /* Consistent orthography */

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<big>'''Welcome to the Glottopedia Forum'''</big><br/><br/>
This is the place where you can ask questions about Glottopedia itself, and also about linguistic topics in general.<br/>
'''Click [http://urts120.uni-trier.de/glottopedia/index.php?title=Glottopedia:Forum&action=edit&section=new here] to add a new question.'''
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==Unicode==
Why is Glottopedia in ISO-8859-1 and not in Unicode? Wikipedia is in Unicode (UTF-8). --[[User:David Marjanović|David Marjanović]] 01:56, 28 June 2007 (CEST)
: I am sure this will be fixed very soon. Glottopedia should be in UTF-8. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:19, 6 July 2007 (CEST)
:: Now I'm not sure whether this UTF-8 encoding will be fixed soon. Whom shall we as kto do it? Who in Trier is responsible? --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:18, 10 July 2007 (CEST)

==Edit URL==
Why is the URL of articles in Glottopedia hidden (when I enter via www.glottopedia.org)? It is really practical that one can edit the URL and get directly to some articles, categories, or templates. When I enter Glottopedia via http://urts120.uni-trier.de/glottopedia/index.php I can manipulate the URL as described. But this should be possible via www.glottopedia.org aswell. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:19, 6 July 2007 (CEST)

:There is a detailed description for at least three <span style="background-color:yellow;">solutions how to do this in the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL MediaWiki manual]</span>. It should work even if you don't have a root access to the host server. So please somebody try one of the possibilities to keep the URL short '''and''' editable. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 13:05, 14 July 2007 (CEST)

==External Links Keep Glottopedia URL!==
When you click on an external link in Glottopedia, the URL in the adress field of your browser remains <nowiki>http://www.glottopedia.org/</nowiki> this should not be. Try this external link to Google: http://www.google.com/ --18:14, 10 July 2007 (CEST)

==Category names==
What do LIRE and HYPO stand for? These are names of [[Special:Categories|categories]] which I can't guess. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 20:43, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
:LIRE is no longer used. "HYPO" stands for [[Glottopedia:Dictionary_articles/Hypotheses_and_approaches|hypothesis and approach articles]], although we need to think more about whether we need it and how exactly we apply it. It should be considered preliminary at this point. --[[User:Haspelmath|Haspelmath]] 14:05, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

== Rename LING to RESEARCH? ==

I'd rename the ''LING'' article type to ''RESEARCH''. What do you think? --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:11, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
:My original proposal was to name these articles "linguistics articles", to which Sven objected that in a way all articles are about linguistics. "Linguistic research articles" is probably better, although not all of them are about research in the narrow sense (basically they are about linguists' activities). Anyway, I like the abbreviation "LING" for "Linguistic research" much better than "LIRE". "RESEARCH" I find too long. But ultimately it's a matter of taste, and if someone else is strongly against "linguistic reaearch/LING", I'll be happy to go along with an alternative proposal.--[[User:Haspelmath|Haspelmath]] 14:09, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

::Well, I thought if LINGUIST is not too long a category label, maybe RESEARCH would also be ok. For LING it is not immediately transparent what category it is. Anybody who wants to know what it is has to read it somewhere (where?). One thinks intuitively about "linguist", linguistics in general, but not of current research. I think this RESEARCH (or LING) category we could use for articles about current or recent projects: WALS, Autotyp, Negtyp, ... --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 21:59, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

== About Glottopedia ==

Currently we have the page two times: [[Glottopedia:About]] and [[Glottopedia:About_Glottopedia]]. One of them should be deleted --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:16, 10 July 2007 (CEST)

==Link Forum==
Please admins, sysops, link this forum in the navigation bar on the left. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 22:19, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

==Set the system time==
The system time of the wiki-server seems to be 2 hours more than the German time. Please fix it. Everytime I sign some post, I wonder if it is really that late (-: --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 22:19, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

==Multilingual categories?==
I'd like to keep categories language-specific. It will get very messy if you see German, English and Russian articles about morphology in that category. We have the language splits almost everywhere, even for this forum, and all administrative pages, Guidelines, Community portal, portals ... so why to lump articles of different languages in one Category? We can handle it like the article names, there can be a category "Syntax", "Syntax (de)", ... --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 22:24, 12 July 2007 (CEST)
:Using only Glottopedia's default language (English) in categories was a decision we took early on (see [[Glottopedia:Categorization]], second sentence). The idea was that unlike Wikipedia, which has different wikis for each language, Glottopedia has just a single wiki and is thus much more integrated. This is because many users will be multilingual, and will be happy to use articles in multiple languages more or less simulteanously. Of course, it would be necessary to have a search mechanism that allows queries such as "find all morphology articles in German" -- such a mechanism is not standard in Mediawiki and would have to be created as an add-on. I'm not saying that I'm strongly opposed to having the categories in multiple languages as well -- this might also be a good way of organizing Glottopedia, perhaps a better one. In that case, we wouldn't even need the category type "article language", because all categories would be language-specific. I'd like to hear more contributions to this important discussion.--[[User:Haspelmath|Haspelmath]] 09:48, 13 July 2007 (CEST)
::I am perfectly confident with mulitlingual categories as long as one can easily filter them or combine them (Category:Syntax AND Category:De). The question is, how easily this can be implemented and used. If we plan to implement this, we should do it before the categories get too crowded. I see your point, since 99 % of Glottopedia users read German and English, there is no need for strict language separation. Let's give multilingual categories a try. At this time we don't have so many articles, so it is quite easy. '''But we need to update the automatic ABC-zation''' in overwiew of articles in the Category: Look at [[:Category:Syntax]] how the cyrillic characters mess up the layout (third column is longer!) and the "Č" in [[:Category:BIOG]] comes after "Z" rather than after "C". We must fix this somehow --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 20:45, 13 July 2007 (CEST)

== Consistent orthography ==

I saw Rk's recent renaming of some articles. We should decide how to write the names of the articles. There is sometimes "Quantitative Linguistics" sometimes "quantitative linguistics". I'm not familiar with the English orthography, but I think in the heading all words except for "of" and "the" are written with an initial uppercase letter. The question is how do we do in in Glottopedia. We should decide for one default for english and other orthographical variants should redirect to the default article. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 10:58, 14 July 2007 (CEST)

:I propose using "Sentence case" for article titles in English. - [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]] 09:37, 8 October 2007 (CEST)

==Other languages==
German [[Glottopedia:Diskussionsforum]]

[[Category:En]]
[[Category:Glottopedia]]

== License: CC vs. GFDL ==

is there any reason why the licence is CC-BY-SA and not GFDL or CC-BY-SA +GFDL? Is it to be deliberately incompatible with Wikipedia? - [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]] 09:14, 8 October 2007 (CEST)

:No, we thought that CC-BY-SA is compatible with Wikipedia, but that it has advantages over GFDL because the latter was really designed for software, not for encyclopedic content. --[[User:Haspelmath|Haspelmath]] 09:25, 8 October 2007 (CEST)

::The GPL is designed for software, the GFDL designed for documentation, to be honest, the GFDL isn't great, but it is what Wikipedia uses, so if we want to be able to share information with them we should at least dual licence. I've put a notice on my page, but ideally all of the content should be dual-licenced. MediaWiki probably allows this to be done. The CC-BY-SA is iirc not compatible with the GFDL (or so a brief Google search suggests). - [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]] 09:33, 8 October 2007 (CEST)

Glottopedia:Forum/Archive 01

2007-10-08T07:33:26Z

Francis Tyers: /* License: CC vs. GFDL */

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==Unicode==
Why is Glottopedia in ISO-8859-1 and not in Unicode? Wikipedia is in Unicode (UTF-8). --[[User:David Marjanović|David Marjanović]] 01:56, 28 June 2007 (CEST)
: I am sure this will be fixed very soon. Glottopedia should be in UTF-8. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:19, 6 July 2007 (CEST)
:: Now I'm not sure whether this UTF-8 encoding will be fixed soon. Whom shall we as kto do it? Who in Trier is responsible? --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:18, 10 July 2007 (CEST)

==Edit URL==
Why is the URL of articles in Glottopedia hidden (when I enter via www.glottopedia.org)? It is really practical that one can edit the URL and get directly to some articles, categories, or templates. When I enter Glottopedia via http://urts120.uni-trier.de/glottopedia/index.php I can manipulate the URL as described. But this should be possible via www.glottopedia.org aswell. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:19, 6 July 2007 (CEST)

:There is a detailed description for at least three <span style="background-color:yellow;">solutions how to do this in the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL MediaWiki manual]</span>. It should work even if you don't have a root access to the host server. So please somebody try one of the possibilities to keep the URL short '''and''' editable. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 13:05, 14 July 2007 (CEST)

==External Links Keep Glottopedia URL!==
When you click on an external link in Glottopedia, the URL in the adress field of your browser remains <nowiki>http://www.glottopedia.org/</nowiki> this should not be. Try this external link to Google: http://www.google.com/ --18:14, 10 July 2007 (CEST)

==Category names==
What do LIRE and HYPO stand for? These are names of [[Special:Categories|categories]] which I can't guess. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 20:43, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
:LIRE is no longer used. "HYPO" stands for [[Glottopedia:Dictionary_articles/Hypotheses_and_approaches|hypothesis and approach articles]], although we need to think more about whether we need it and how exactly we apply it. It should be considered preliminary at this point. --[[User:Haspelmath|Haspelmath]] 14:05, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

== Rename LING to RESEARCH? ==

I'd rename the ''LING'' article type to ''RESEARCH''. What do you think? --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:11, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
:My original proposal was to name these articles "linguistics articles", to which Sven objected that in a way all articles are about linguistics. "Linguistic research articles" is probably better, although not all of them are about research in the narrow sense (basically they are about linguists' activities). Anyway, I like the abbreviation "LING" for "Linguistic research" much better than "LIRE". "RESEARCH" I find too long. But ultimately it's a matter of taste, and if someone else is strongly against "linguistic reaearch/LING", I'll be happy to go along with an alternative proposal.--[[User:Haspelmath|Haspelmath]] 14:09, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

::Well, I thought if LINGUIST is not too long a category label, maybe RESEARCH would also be ok. For LING it is not immediately transparent what category it is. Anybody who wants to know what it is has to read it somewhere (where?). One thinks intuitively about "linguist", linguistics in general, but not of current research. I think this RESEARCH (or LING) category we could use for articles about current or recent projects: WALS, Autotyp, Negtyp, ... --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 21:59, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

== About Glottopedia ==

Currently we have the page two times: [[Glottopedia:About]] and [[Glottopedia:About_Glottopedia]]. One of them should be deleted --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 23:16, 10 July 2007 (CEST)

==Link Forum==
Please admins, sysops, link this forum in the navigation bar on the left. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 22:19, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

==Set the system time==
The system time of the wiki-server seems to be 2 hours more than the German time. Please fix it. Everytime I sign some post, I wonder if it is really that late (-: --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 22:19, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

==Multilingual categories?==
I'd like to keep categories language-specific. It will get very messy if you see German, English and Russian articles about morphology in that category. We have the language splits almost everywhere, even for this forum, and all administrative pages, Guidelines, Community portal, portals ... so why to lump articles of different languages in one Category? We can handle it like the article names, there can be a category "Syntax", "Syntax (de)", ... --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 22:24, 12 July 2007 (CEST)
:Using only Glottopedia's default language (English) in categories was a decision we took early on (see [[Glottopedia:Categorization]], second sentence). The idea was that unlike Wikipedia, which has different wikis for each language, Glottopedia has just a single wiki and is thus much more integrated. This is because many users will be multilingual, and will be happy to use articles in multiple languages more or less simulteanously. Of course, it would be necessary to have a search mechanism that allows queries such as "find all morphology articles in German" -- such a mechanism is not standard in Mediawiki and would have to be created as an add-on. I'm not saying that I'm strongly opposed to having the categories in multiple languages as well -- this might also be a good way of organizing Glottopedia, perhaps a better one. In that case, we wouldn't even need the category type "article language", because all categories would be language-specific. I'd like to hear more contributions to this important discussion.--[[User:Haspelmath|Haspelmath]] 09:48, 13 July 2007 (CEST)
::I am perfectly confident with mulitlingual categories as long as one can easily filter them or combine them (Category:Syntax AND Category:De). The question is, how easily this can be implemented and used. If we plan to implement this, we should do it before the categories get too crowded. I see your point, since 99 % of Glottopedia users read German and English, there is no need for strict language separation. Let's give multilingual categories a try. At this time we don't have so many articles, so it is quite easy. '''But we need to update the automatic ABC-zation''' in overwiew of articles in the Category: Look at [[:Category:Syntax]] how the cyrillic characters mess up the layout (third column is longer!) and the "Č" in [[:Category:BIOG]] comes after "Z" rather than after "C". We must fix this somehow --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 20:45, 13 July 2007 (CEST)

== Consistent orthography ==

I saw Rk's recent renaming of some articles. We should decide how to write the names of the articles. There is sometimes "Quantitative Linguistics" sometimes "quantitative linguistics". I'm not familiar with the English orthography, but I think in the heading all words except for "of" and "the" are written with an initial uppercase letter. The question is how do we do in in Glottopedia. We should decide for one default for english and other orthographical variants should redirect to the default article. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 10:58, 14 July 2007 (CEST)

==Other languages==
German [[Glottopedia:Diskussionsforum]]

[[Category:En]]
[[Category:Glottopedia]]

== License: CC vs. GFDL ==

is there any reason why the licence is CC-BY-SA and not GFDL or CC-BY-SA +GFDL? Is it to be deliberately incompatible with Wikipedia? - [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]] 09:14, 8 October 2007 (CEST)

:No, we thought that CC-BY-SA is compatible with Wikipedia, but that it has advantages over GFDL because the latter was really designed for software, not for encyclopedic content. --[[User:Haspelmath|Haspelmath]] 09:25, 8 October 2007 (CEST)

::The GPL is designed for software, the GFDL designed for documentation, to be honest, the GFDL isn't great, but it is what Wikipedia uses, so if we want to be able to share information with them we should at least dual licence. I've put a notice on my page, but ideally all of the content should be dual-licenced. MediaWiki probably allows this to be done. The CC-BY-SA is iirc not compatible with the GFDL (or so a brief Google search suggests). - [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]] 09:33, 8 October 2007 (CEST)

User:Francis Tyers

2007-10-08T07:14:58Z

Francis Tyers:

'''Francis Morton Tyers'''

Universitat d'Alacant (University of Alicante)

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2007-10-08T07:14:45Z

Francis Tyers: /* OT */

Dies ist eine Übersicht der Glotopedia-Seiten, die innerhalb der Linguipedia erstellt wurden:

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::[[Glottopedia:Linguistic research articles/Conferences]] * [[Glottopedia:Forschungsartikel/Konferenzen]]
::[[Glottopedia:Linguistic research articles/Journals]] * [[Glottopedia:Forschungsartikel/Zeitschriften]]

:[[Glottopedia:Quotations]] * [[Glottopedia:Zitate]]

:[[Glottopedia:Templates]] * [[Glottopedia:Vorlagen]]

::[[Template:Dc]] * [[Template:Wb]]
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[[Glottopedia:Help]] * [[Glottopedia:Hilfe]]

== Template:Hello ==

Ich habe von der Linguipedia das [[Template:Hello|Begrüßungstemplate]] übernommen und an Glottopedia angepasst.

Von nun an können wir die Nutzer mit <nowiki>{{subst:Hello}}</nowiki> begrüßen.

--[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 18:03, 10 July 2007 (CEST)

== Enbiog ==

Ja, das template enbiog wäre mit Variable nützlicher, aber ich weiß, dass es nicht so einfach geht. Ich habe in Balthasar's Bibliographiedatenbank 6000 Autorennamen der Form "Alexandra Aikhenvald" auf "Aikhenvald, Alexandra" umgestellt. Automatisch geht es nur gut bei nichtadligen Autoren mit nur einem Vornamen. Die vorlage müsste erkennen, dass sie bei "Ferdinand de Saussure" auch das de hinterstellen soll, oder bei "R. M. W. Dixon" das "R. M. W." und dazu kommen noch Autoren mit zwei Nachnamen, mit oder ohne Bindestrich. Bei chinesischen Autoren ist es aber andersrum... Diese müsste man so oder so manuell machen. --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 10:07, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

== Geschlecht der lebenden Linguisten ==

Zu den lebenden Linguisten, bei denen wir nur auf ihre homepage verweisen, würde ich das Geschlecht angeben. Ich erinnere mich gut, dass wenn ich Linguisten in Hausarbeiten zitiert habe, musste ich den text manchmal ohne anaphorische Pronomen schreiben, weil ich nicht wusste ob es ein "he" oder "she" ist. Bei manchen Vornamen ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unisex_name unisex names]) kann man sich nicht sicher sein. Ich wusste einfach nicht, ob Francis Katamba Mann oder Frau ist. Wenn man keine Homepage mit foto findet ist man de ziemlich aufgeschmissen. Und mit fremdländischen namen kennt man sich nun schon gar nicht mehr aus, auch wenn er für kundige eindeutig geschlechtsspezifisch ist. (japanische, chinesische Namen). Und schon damals habe ich an so ein Geschlechtsregister der Linguisten gedacht, wo man nachschauen könnte (-: --[[User:Sven Siegmund|Sven Siegmund]] 10:19, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

== OT ==

Hallo.

ich hab in der deutschsprachigen WP den Artikel [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimalitätstheorie] geschrieben (zumindest maßgeblich erweitert). Was meinst Du, wär er es wert, hierher "rüberkopiert" zu werden? Grüße--[[User:Patrick|Patrick]] 09:09, 7 August 2007 (CEST).

==Hi==

Thanks for the welcome, I'll do that :) Btw, is there any reason why the licence is CC-BY-SA and not GFDL or CC-BY-SA +GFDL? Is it to be deliberately incompatible with Wikipedia? - [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]] 09:14, 8 October 2007 (CEST)

User:Francis Tyers

2007-10-08T06:25:09Z

Francis Tyers: +gfdl

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