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Wohlgemuth: /* Case theory */

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Case theory

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	== Case theory ==		== Case theory ==

	What is case theory and case filter. What is the difference between the two. Give example with your language in a tree diagram assigning case to your overt element.		What is case theory and case filter. What is the difference between the two. Give example with your language in a tree diagram assigning case to your overt element. (22:43, 6 October 2011 [[User:Eghimhe]])

			: Please sign all forum posts with your signature: <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki> - --[[User:Wohlgemuth\|wohlgemuth]] 10:10, 7 October 2011 (CEST)

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	:: I will add these things to our to-do-list. --[[User:Wohlgemuth\|wohlgemuth]] 19:20, 20 October 2010 (UTC)		:: I will add these things to our to-do-list. --[[User:Wohlgemuth\|wohlgemuth]] 19:20, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

			== Case theory ==

			What is case theory and case filter. What is the difference between the two. Give example with your language in a tree diagram assigning case to your overt element.

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	:: I will add these things to our to-do-list. --[[User:Wohlgemuth\|wohlgemuth]] 19:20, 20 October 2010 (UTC)		:: I will add these things to our to-do-list. --[[User:Wohlgemuth\|wohlgemuth]] 19:20, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

	~~== Hello anyone ==~~

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	:: I will add these things to our to-do-list. --[[User:Wohlgemuth\|wohlgemuth]] 19:20, 20 October 2010 (UTC)		:: I will add these things to our to-do-list. --[[User:Wohlgemuth\|wohlgemuth]] 19:20, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

			== Hello anyone ==

			Hello, this is my first post. Thank you for sharing,they are helpful.I'm glad come to this Forum and we exchange related problems, and make friends with everyone.I like going to [url=http://www.sales-replica.com/hublot-watches.html]Forum[/url] with listen to music at ordinary times, and I like playing basketball and other activities wearing my favorite watches.

Wohlgemuth: /* Category:En — Article count/sorting order */

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Category:En — Article count/sorting order

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	*Each of the '''Category:En''' subpages reports "The following 200 pages are in this category, out of 293 total." In fact it would seem that the total should be a larger number, perhaps 2160. Maybe a value which should be an automatically updated variable has been incorrectly defined as a constant. The four '''Category.De''' subpages, for example, report a count of 694, which seems to be correct.		*Each of the '''Category:En''' subpages reports "The following 200 pages are in this category, out of 293 total." In fact it would seem that the total should be a larger number, perhaps 2160. Maybe a value which should be an automatically updated variable has been incorrectly defined as a constant. The four '''Category.De''' subpages, for example, report a count of 694, which seems to be correct.
	*While biographical articles include formatting like <nowiki>[[Category:BIOG\|Jakobson, Roman]]</nowiki>, sorting on the family name does not transfer to other categories to which the article might also belong. Wikipedia has a nice mechanism of adding in a tag like <nowiki>{{DEFAULTSORT:Jakobson, Roman}}</nowiki>, which automatically sorts under ''Jakobson'' for all categories. Could this feature be added to Glottopedia? — [[User:Objectivesea\|Objectivesea]] 10:10, 31 January 2010 (UTC)		*While biographical articles include formatting like <nowiki>[[Category:BIOG\|Jakobson, Roman]]</nowiki>, sorting on the family name does not transfer to other categories to which the article might also belong. Wikipedia has a nice mechanism of adding in a tag like <nowiki>{{DEFAULTSORT:Jakobson, Roman}}</nowiki>, which automatically sorts under ''Jakobson'' for all categories. Could this feature be added to Glottopedia? — [[User:Objectivesea\|Objectivesea]] 10:10, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

			:: I will add these things to our to-do-list. --[[User:Wohlgemuth\|wohlgemuth]] 19:20, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Wohlgemuth: /* Link Forum */

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Link Forum

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	==Link Forum==		==Link Forum==
	Please admins, sysops, link this forum in the navigation bar on the left. --[[User:Sven Siegmund\|Sven Siegmund]] 22:19, 12 July 2007 (CEST)		Please admins, sysops, link this forum in the navigation bar on the left. --[[User:Sven Siegmund\|Sven Siegmund]] 22:19, 12 July 2007 (CEST)
			: Done. --[[User:Wohlgemuth\|wohlgemuth]] 19:33, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

	==Set the system time==		==Set the system time==

Objectivesea: /* Multilingual categories? */

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Multilingual categories?

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	::I am perfectly confident with mulitlingual categories as long as one can easily filter them or combine them (Category:Syntax AND Category:De). The question is, how easily this can be implemented and used. If we plan to implement this, we should do it before the categories get too crowded. I see your point, since 99 % of Glottopedia users read German and English, there is no need for strict language separation. Let's give multilingual categories a try. At this time we don't have so many articles, so it is quite easy. '''But we need to update the automatic ABC-zation''' in overwiew of articles in the Category: Look at [[:Category:Syntax]] how the cyrillic characters mess up the layout (third column is longer!) and the "Č" in [[:Category:BIOG]] comes after "Z" rather than after "C". We must fix this somehow --[[User:Sven Siegmund\|Sven Siegmund]] 20:45, 13 July 2007 (CEST)		::I am perfectly confident with mulitlingual categories as long as one can easily filter them or combine them (Category:Syntax AND Category:De). The question is, how easily this can be implemented and used. If we plan to implement this, we should do it before the categories get too crowded. I see your point, since 99 % of Glottopedia users read German and English, there is no need for strict language separation. Let's give multilingual categories a try. At this time we don't have so many articles, so it is quite easy. '''But we need to update the automatic ABC-zation''' in overwiew of articles in the Category: Look at [[:Category:Syntax]] how the cyrillic characters mess up the layout (third column is longer!) and the "Č" in [[:Category:BIOG]] comes after "Z" rather than after "C". We must fix this somehow --[[User:Sven Siegmund\|Sven Siegmund]] 20:45, 13 July 2007 (CEST)

	~~:::~~I ~~create~~ an entry in (Brazilian) Portuguese (search Advérbio), as a sample. I did not see any other entry in Portuguese. There are other people working in a Glottopedia in Portuguese? How can I classify this entry as a "Article in Portuguese"?		==Adding new language categories==
			I created an entry in (Brazilian) Portuguese (search Advérbio), as a sample. I did not see any other entry in Portuguese. There are other people working in a Glottopedia in Portuguese? How can I classify this entry as a "Article in Portuguese"? -- [[User:Magnusmartius\|Magnusmartius]] 18:26, 19 October 2009 (CEST)

	~~:::~~: Hi, you can simply ''create the Category'' [[:Category:Pt]]. --[[User:Wohlgemuth\|wohlgemuth]] 09:59, 20 October 2009 (UTC)		: Hi, you can simply ''create the Category'' [[:Category:Pt]]. --[[User:Wohlgemuth\|wohlgemuth]] 09:59, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

			:: I have now done just this, and have also created a [[:Category:Eo]], which contains an Esperanto translation of Magnusmartius's Portuguese-language article. For completeness, I added a link to an eventual German translation, which someone else may want to provide; it shows up in red type currently, because that article does not yet exist. — [[User:Objectivesea\|Objectivesea]] 12:08, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

	== Consistent orthography ==		== Consistent orthography ==

Objectivesea: Added two comments about the Category:En subpages

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	Why is Glottopedia in ISO-8859-1 and not in Unicode? Wikipedia is in Unicode (UTF-8). --[[User:David Marjanović\|David Marjanović]] 01:56, 28 June 2007 (CEST)		Why is Glottopedia in ISO-8859-1 and not in Unicode? Wikipedia is in Unicode (UTF-8). --[[User:David Marjanović\|David Marjanović]] 01:56, 28 June 2007 (CEST)
	: I am sure this will be fixed very soon. Glottopedia should be in UTF-8. --[[User:Sven Siegmund\|Sven Siegmund]] 23:19, 6 July 2007 (CEST)		: I am sure this will be fixed very soon. Glottopedia should be in UTF-8. --[[User:Sven Siegmund\|Sven Siegmund]] 23:19, 6 July 2007 (CEST)
	:: Now I'm not sure whether this UTF-8 encoding will be fixed soon. Whom shall we ~~as kto~~ do it? Who in Trier is responsible? --[[User:Sven Siegmund\|Sven Siegmund]] 23:18, 10 July 2007 (CEST)		:: Now I'm not sure whether this UTF-8 encoding will be fixed soon. Whom shall we ask to do it? Who in Trier is responsible? --[[User:Sven Siegmund\|Sven Siegmund]] 23:18, 10 July 2007 (CEST)

	==Edit URL==		==Edit URL==
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	== About Glottopedia ==		== About Glottopedia ==

	Currently we have the page two times: [[Glottopedia:About]] and [[Glottopedia:About_Glottopedia]]. One of them should be deleted --[[User:Sven Siegmund\|Sven Siegmund]] 23:16, 10 July 2007 (CEST)		Currently we have the page two times: [[Glottopedia:About]] and [[Glottopedia:About_Glottopedia]]. One of them should be deleted --[[User:Sven Siegmund\|Sven Siegmund]] 23:16, 10 July 2007 (CEST)

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	==Multilingual categories?==		==Multilingual categories?==
	I'd like to keep categories language-specific. It will get very messy if you see German, English and Russian articles about morphology in that category. We have the language splits almost everywhere, even for this forum, and all administrative pages, Guidelines, Community portal, portals ... so why to lump articles of different languages in one Category? We can handle it like the article names, there can be a category "Syntax", "Syntax (de)", ... --[[User:Sven Siegmund\|Sven Siegmund]] 22:24, 12 July 2007 (CEST)		I'd like to keep categories language-specific. It will get very messy if you see German, English and Russian articles about morphology in that category. We have the language splits almost everywhere, even for this forum, and all administrative pages, Guidelines, Community portal, portals ... so why to lump articles of different languages in one Category? We can handle it like the article names, there can be a category "Syntax", "Syntax (de)", ... --[[User:Sven Siegmund\|Sven Siegmund]] 22:24, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

	:Using only Glottopedia's default language (English) in categories was a decision we took early on (see [[Glottopedia:Categorization]], second sentence). The idea was that unlike Wikipedia, which has different wikis for each language, Glottopedia has just a single wiki and is thus much more integrated. This is because many users will be multilingual, and will be happy to use articles in multiple languages more or less simulteanously. Of course, it would be necessary to have a search mechanism that allows queries such as "find all morphology articles in German" -- such a mechanism is not standard in Mediawiki and would have to be created as an add-on. I'm not saying that I'm strongly opposed to having the categories in multiple languages as well -- this might also be a good way of organizing Glottopedia, perhaps a better one. In that case, we wouldn't even need the category type "article language", because all categories would be language-specific. I'd like to hear more contributions to this important discussion.--[[User:Haspelmath\|Haspelmath]] 09:48, 13 July 2007 (CEST)		:Using only Glottopedia's default language (English) in categories was a decision we took early on (see [[Glottopedia:Categorization]], second sentence). The idea was that unlike Wikipedia, which has different wikis for each language, Glottopedia has just a single wiki and is thus much more integrated. This is because many users will be multilingual, and will be happy to use articles in multiple languages more or less simulteanously. Of course, it would be necessary to have a search mechanism that allows queries such as "find all morphology articles in German" -- such a mechanism is not standard in Mediawiki and would have to be created as an add-on. I'm not saying that I'm strongly opposed to having the categories in multiple languages as well -- this might also be a good way of organizing Glottopedia, perhaps a better one. In that case, we wouldn't even need the category type "article language", because all categories would be language-specific. I'd like to hear more contributions to this important discussion.--[[User:Haspelmath\|Haspelmath]] 09:48, 13 July 2007 (CEST)

	::I am perfectly confident with mulitlingual categories as long as one can easily filter them or combine them (Category:Syntax AND Category:De). The question is, how easily this can be implemented and used. If we plan to implement this, we should do it before the categories get too crowded. I see your point, since 99 % of Glottopedia users read German and English, there is no need for strict language separation. Let's give multilingual categories a try. At this time we don't have so many articles, so it is quite easy. '''But we need to update the automatic ABC-zation''' in overwiew of articles in the Category: Look at [[:Category:Syntax]] how the cyrillic characters mess up the layout (third column is longer!) and the "Č" in [[:Category:BIOG]] comes after "Z" rather than after "C". We must fix this somehow --[[User:Sven Siegmund\|Sven Siegmund]] 20:45, 13 July 2007 (CEST)		::I am perfectly confident with mulitlingual categories as long as one can easily filter them or combine them (Category:Syntax AND Category:De). The question is, how easily this can be implemented and used. If we plan to implement this, we should do it before the categories get too crowded. I see your point, since 99 % of Glottopedia users read German and English, there is no need for strict language separation. Let's give multilingual categories a try. At this time we don't have so many articles, so it is quite easy. '''But we need to update the automatic ABC-zation''' in overwiew of articles in the Category: Look at [[:Category:Syntax]] how the cyrillic characters mess up the layout (third column is longer!) and the "Č" in [[:Category:BIOG]] comes after "Z" rather than after "C". We must fix this somehow --[[User:Sven Siegmund\|Sven Siegmund]] 20:45, 13 July 2007 (CEST)

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	== Consistent orthography ==		== Consistent orthography ==

	I saw Rk's recent renaming of some articles. We should decide how to write the names of the articles. There is sometimes "Quantitative Linguistics" sometimes "quantitative linguistics". I'm not familiar with the English orthography, but I think in the heading all words except for "of" and "the" are written with an initial uppercase letter. The question is how do we do in in Glottopedia. We should decide for one default for english and other orthographical variants should redirect to the default article. --[[User:Sven Siegmund\|Sven Siegmund]] 10:58, 14 July 2007 (CEST)		I saw Rk's recent renaming of some articles. We should decide how to write the names of the articles. There is sometimes "Quantitative Linguistics" sometimes "quantitative linguistics". I'm not familiar with the English orthography, but I think in the heading all words except for "of" and "the" are written with an initial uppercase letter. The question is how do we do in in Glottopedia. We should decide for one default for english and other orthographical variants should redirect to the default article. --[[User:Sven Siegmund\|Sven Siegmund]] 10:58, 14 July 2007 (CEST)

	:I propose using "Sentence case" for article titles in English. - [[User:Francis Tyers\|Francis Tyers]] 09:37, 8 October 2007 (CEST)		:I propose using "Sentence case" for article titles in English. - [[User:Francis Tyers\|Francis Tyers]] 09:37, 8 October 2007 (CEST)

	::I agree. Wikipedians are used to that format, and it looks more elegant than "Title Case". —[[User:Antony Green\|Tonio]] ([[User talk:Antony Green\|tɔk tə mi]]) 23:50, 21 October 2007 (CEST)		::I agree. Wikipedians are used to that format, and it looks more elegant than "Title Case". —[[User:Antony Green\|Tonio]] ([[User talk:Antony Green\|tɔk tə mi]]) 23:50, 21 October 2007 (CEST)

	:::Yes, of course. I added a comment about this under [[Glottopedia:Dictionary articles/Technical terms#Spelling]]. And I moved "Quantitative Linguistics to "Quantitative linguistics" (assuming that it is a sub-field, not a theoretical approach).--[[User:Haspelmath\|Haspelmath]] 08:23, 22 October 2007 (CEST)		:::Yes, of course. I added a comment about this under [[Glottopedia:Dictionary articles/Technical terms#Spelling]]. And I moved "Quantitative Linguistics to "Quantitative linguistics" (assuming that it is a sub-field, not a theoretical approach).--[[User:Haspelmath\|Haspelmath]] 08:23, 22 October 2007 (CEST)

	== License: CC vs. GFDL ==		== License: CC vs. GFDL ==
			Is there any reason why the licence is CC-BY-SA and not GFDL or CC-BY-SA +GFDL? Is it to be deliberately incompatible with Wikipedia? - [[User:Francis Tyers\|Francis Tyers]] 09:14, 8 October 2007 (CEST)
	is there any reason why the licence is CC-BY-SA and not GFDL or CC-BY-SA +GFDL? Is it to be deliberately incompatible with Wikipedia? - [[User:Francis Tyers\|Francis Tyers]] 09:14, 8 October 2007 (CEST)

	:No, we thought that CC-BY-SA is compatible with Wikipedia, but that it has advantages over GFDL because the latter was really designed for software, not for encyclopedic content. --[[User:Haspelmath\|Haspelmath]] 09:25, 8 October 2007 (CEST)		:No, we thought that CC-BY-SA is compatible with Wikipedia, but that it has advantages over GFDL because the latter was really designed for software, not for encyclopedic content. --[[User:Haspelmath\|Haspelmath]] 09:25, 8 October 2007 (CEST)
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	::Well, freer is a subjective judgement, the CC-BY-SA has less restrictions than the GFPL that is certain. So CC-BY-SA content can be used under the GPL? I wasn't aware of this. Do you have any links? - [[User:Francis Tyers\|Francis Tyers]] 09:28, 11 October 2007 (CEST)		::Well, freer is a subjective judgement, the CC-BY-SA has less restrictions than the GFPL that is certain. So CC-BY-SA content can be used under the GPL? I wasn't aware of this. Do you have any links? - [[User:Francis Tyers\|Francis Tyers]] 09:28, 11 October 2007 (CEST)

	:::Certainly CC-BY-SA images are allowed at Wikipedia. However, it does seem that the text license is incompatible, so we can't just cut-n-paste whole Wikipedia articles here, even with correct attribution. [[User:Antony Green\|Antony Green]] 00:26, 21 October 2007 (CEST)		:::Certainly CC-BY-SA images are allowed at Wikipedia. However, it does seem that the text license is incompatible, so we can't just cut-n-paste whole Wikipedia articles here, even with correct attribution. [[User:Antony Green\|Antony Green]] 00:26, 21 October 2007 (CEST)

	==Examples==		==Examples==

	While '<nowiki><pre></pre></nowiki>' tags can be used to create fixed space examples, e.g.		While '<nowiki><pre></pre></nowiki>' tags can be used to create fixed space examples, e.g.

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	== Language Description ==		== Language Description ==

	The Glottopedia is, so far as I can tell, intensively specialized toward linguistic theory. Has the community behind the Glottopedia decided against descriptive material for specific languages? The status of language classification is closely related and also seems to be omitted. I do find, in the few articles about specific languages that I have looked at, at least a mention of classification. But no way that I can discover to handle cases where classification is disputed.		The Glottopedia is, so far as I can tell, intensively specialized toward linguistic theory. Has the community behind the Glottopedia decided against descriptive material for specific languages? The status of language classification is closely related and also seems to be omitted. I do find, in the few articles about specific languages that I have looked at, at least a mention of classification. But no way that I can discover to handle cases where classification is disputed.

	For example, I recently found myself posting to the Google Group sci.lang the opinion that I rejected the concept of Afro-Asiatic and that I felt it was no more plausible than Nostratic. I may have been misguided but if some outsider read my post where would they find the issue discussed in Glottopedia?		For example, I recently found myself posting to the Google Group sci.lang the opinion that I rejected the concept of Afro-Asiatic and that I felt it was no more plausible than Nostratic. I may have been misguided but if some outsider read my post where would they find the issue discussed in Glottopedia?

	Incidentally the speller checker for this form should be fixed to accept Glottopedia as a correctly spelled word.		Incidentally the speller checker for this form should be fixed to accept Glottopedia as a correctly spelled word. —David Kleinecke. And let's see if four tildes also works [[User:Dkleinecke\|Dkleinecke]] 23:59, 26 October 2007 (CEST)

	David Kleinecke. And ~~lets~~ see if four tildes also works [[User:Dkleinecke\|Dkleinecke]] 23:59, 26 October 2007 (CEST)

	:Remember Glottopedia is still its infancy, so most of the things you don't find here, you're probably not finding because no one has gotten around to writing them yet, rather than because there's been an active decision made to omit them. I take the presence of a few articles on language description to indicate that such articles are welcome here (which is why I started a new one just last week: [[Irish]]). Even though Wikipedia is not geared toward a specialist audience, it's more likely to have a discussion on any controversy concerning Afro-Asiatic unity than Glottopedia is, just because of its greater age and editor base. —[[User:Antony Green\|Tonio]] ([[User talk:Antony Green\|tɔk tə mi]]) 07:43, 28 October 2007 (CET)		:Remember Glottopedia is still its infancy, so most of the things you don't find here, you're probably not finding because no one has gotten around to writing them yet, rather than because there's been an active decision made to omit them. I take the presence of a few articles on language description to indicate that such articles are welcome here (which is why I started a new one just last week: [[Irish]]). Even though Wikipedia is not geared toward a specialist audience, it's more likely to have a discussion on any controversy concerning Afro-Asiatic unity than Glottopedia is, just because of its greater age and editor base. —[[User:Antony Green\|Tonio]] ([[User talk:Antony Green\|tɔk tə mi]]) 07:43, 28 October 2007 (CET)

	==Change in Presentation==		==Change in Presentation==

	~~Hi,~~

	Because Glottopedia has just been started, I wonder if you could consider my proposal as far as its wiki structure is concerned and as it is explained below:		Because Glottopedia has just been started, I wonder if you could consider my proposal as far as its wiki structure is concerned and as it is explained below:

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	[[User:Genezistan\|Frank]] 09:45, 23 November 2008 (CET)		[[User:Genezistan\|Frank]] 09:45, 23 November 2008 (CET)

			==Category:En — Article count/sorting order==
			*Each of the '''Category:En''' subpages reports "The following 200 pages are in this category, out of 293 total." In fact it would seem that the total should be a larger number, perhaps 2160. Maybe a value which should be an automatically updated variable has been incorrectly defined as a constant. The four '''Category.De''' subpages, for example, report a count of 694, which seems to be correct.
			*While biographical articles include formatting like <nowiki>[[Category:BIOG\|Jakobson, Roman]]</nowiki>, sorting on the family name does not transfer to other categories to which the article might also belong. Wikipedia has a nice mechanism of adding in a tag like <nowiki>{{DEFAULTSORT:Jakobson, Roman}}</nowiki>, which automatically sorts under ''Jakobson'' for all categories. Could this feature be added to Glottopedia? — [[User:Objectivesea\|Objectivesea]] 10:10, 31 January 2010 (UTC)